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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:31 pm 
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Ok, We know Yahweh said the Sabbath is on the 7th day.

7th day of what? The Gregorian calender (rhetorical question).

So, We know that God's feast days start right after the New moon, right?

What about the weekly Sabbath. Does it start right after the new moon, then every 7 days consecutively, there after till the next new moon?

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 Post subject: Re: Time Is Messed Up
PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:38 pm 
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I dunno...but I noticed that the first night of the full moon always occurs on the 15th of what ever month it is :)


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:03 pm 
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No, Vectorwoman. The weekly Sabbath has always been every 7 days since creation.

YHVH'S Feast Days start on the appointed day after the new moon.

Sounds to me like you are reading some of the various different studies out there as to when others think Shabbat is.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:48 pm 
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SherShalom wrote:
No, Vectorwoman. The weekly Sabbath has always been every 7 days since creation.

YHVH'S Feast Days start on the appointed day after the new moon.

Sounds to me like you are reading some of the various different studies out there as to when others think Shabbat is.


Yes...every seven days since Creation; the differences pop up on the definition of 'new moon'...conjunction, sliver, full, Hillel2...

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:54 am 
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Sabbath arose exactly seven days after day one, "In the beginning God created the heaven and earth." The sun and the moon appeared in creation on the fourth day, "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."

Therefore, viewing the New Moon and Observing Shabbat are two different things, but sometimes coincidental simply because of the 28-9 day cycles. The New Moon sliver CAUSES the Abib to appear in the bowl of the barley. ;) :wink:


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The beginning of months, this first month of the year being the month of Aviv (Ex 13:4), and a determination of when this month of Aviv begins comes via the paschal lamb being selected on the 10th day of this month and sacrificed on the 14th day at even, with few other clues as to when this day occurs.

One month after Israel’s liberation manna was given, with manna appearing as hoarfrost for six days, but not being given on the seventh day, the Sabbath … by the presence and absence of manna, the Lord “spoke” to Israel, telling the nation when the Sabbath was, testing the nation to see if the nation would listen to Him when the nation had not listened to Him in Egypt.

The day on which the Sabbath occurs has not been lost since the weekly calendar was reaffirmed through the giving of manna for six days and the absence of manna on the seventh day for the forty years that Israel trekked through the wilderness. When Jesus, having identified Himself as the true Bread of Life that came down from heaven, enters Jerusalem on the Sabbath as the selected and penned paschal Lamb of God, He becomes the reality of the absence of manna on the Sabbath, for He will be crucified on the Preparation Day for the great day of the Sabbath (John 19:31), with the entire period when Israel went to Jerusalem identified by John as the Sabbath.

In the symbolism of Jesus being both the Bread of Life and the Passover Lamb of God, the sacred heavenly calendar is reconciled with the plan of God as disclosed through the yearly calendar, but this reconciliation only occurs when the Passover lamb, penned on the 10thday of the month, is penned on the weekly Sabbath.

Jesus is the true “bread” that has come down from heaven … whereas Israel did not recognize manna as anything (hence the name), Israel did not recognize Jesus as the only Son of Yah. To Israel, Jesus was the bastard son of a Galilean carpenter; to Israel, manna was worthless food (Num 21:5).

As the presence and absence of manna established when the weekly Sabbath occurs, this seven day cycle unbroken since the days of Moses, the presence and absence of the true bread from heaven establishes when the annual Sabbath of Unleavened Bread is to occur, for Jesus’ departure from earth and ascent to the Father one day after the [weekly] Sabbath—this after being three days in the heart of the earth—serves as the first ripe sheaf of barley of the new harvest. The harvest could begin, with disciples being the firstfruits that were to be harvested, and with the harvest ending on the Feast of Weeks.


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How to determine the beginning of months..

The earth will experience not one but two equinoxes within a year, the Spring and the Autumnal; one in March around the 19th/20th and the other in September around the 22nd. During this time the Earth’s axis is tilted neither away nor towards the sun; the length of light and day are the same, being more noticeable to those near the equator. Equinox means “equal nights”.

Ancient Israel would determine the spring equinox by measuring the shadows of the two large bronze pillars supporting the front of the temple. When the shadows were the same distances apart from the base of the pillars to the top of the shadows, the spring equinox was at hand. An easy illustration would be for you to take two candles of equal length, place them on your table and turn the lights off. With a flashlight or headlamp near your head or eyes, walk in a circular motion around the candles keeping the light pointed in the direction of the candles. You will notice that as your position is to the right of the two candles, the left candle's shadow will be taller and vice versa if your position is on the left.

When you’re in the center of the two candles meaning the declination is 0, the tops of the shadows are equal in length.

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The first sighted new moon following the spring equinox begins the first month, the second sighted begins the second month and so on until you reach twelve months, and if there should be another new moon before the spring equinox of that same year, that year has 13 months.

At one time, each of these sighted new moon crescents had to be determined by actual observance. They should still be verified by observation, but they are known beforehand by when the dark of the moon occurs, coupled with time of moonset: a new moon needs to be about 13 hours old before it can be observed; so the new moon needs to be this old before the moon sets on a particular day, with the new moon usually no visible until 40 minutes after sunset in my latitudes. So moonset should be 40 or more minutes after sunset, with the new moon being 13 or more hours old.

Because the sacred calendar is based upon observation, it resets every month. If you get it wrong one month, you can correct the following month. So a cloudy sky shouldn't effect more than a month (unless you're on the Oregon Coast where you can go all winter without seeing the sun).

The beginning of months never begins before the spring equinox; it begins when the days/nights are equal in length, and when the new moon can be observed (can’t see a dark moon) by its sliver or crescent following the equinox.

We don’t have to actually “see” the new moon sliver without not knowing when it will occur. NASA’s web site has all of the lunar tables from past to future and the new moon times within your area. Find when the new moon is to appear and 13 hours later is the beginning of that month.

NASA moon tables: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/phase/phasecat.html

Unfortunately for believers, the calendar brings nothing but wars within the body of believers. The Fall Feasts that I keep will begin in October, not this month. There has been much debates as to when Christ Jesus rose from the grave as the Wave Sheaf, but with NASA’s technology, the day and year is known, and to when the new moon had occurred before He entered Jerusalem on the tenth day of the first month, that day being the weekly Sabbath.

The Passover that Christ Jesus kept in the year of His crucifixion was only one day different than when the Pharisee’s of Herod's temple kept theirs….in that year. This year was a month different.


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