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You wanna talk about a shot that would be heard around the world? Oh. My. Golly. Is the .gov pushing for this? Are they looking to ignite an internal war? Once began, it would be hard to reel this one back in.


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Whooops. YouTube squashed that video...real quick!

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temu wrote:
Whooops. YouTube squashed that video...real quick!



Can you give us a summary?

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Whooops. YouTube squashed that video...real quick!



Can you give us a summary?


Yeager from tacticalresponse.com
Something like 50,000 subscribers and over 8 million views on his YT channel.
Said if Obama does an executive order gun grab, heads will roll and he will fire the first shot.
He was pissed...and ready. Not joking at all.

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I expected Yeager to put out a vid like this. I don't agree putting this vid out was the greatest idea and a bit premature. We cannot succumb to emotion like the anti-Constitutionalist gun-grabbers. We have to play this smart and stay cool. But Yeager's his own man and can say whatever he feels like.

The next few weeks will be interesting for sure. Hopefully the treasonous thugs don't make it come down to this. The fact that a sitting U.S. VP would even remotely suggest such an action is sickening. We'll see how they play their hand and how this all pans out. We don't know what the exact plans are yet and all of this may just fall flat on it's face. Maybe not.

They can technically get away with certain actions through EO like halting the import of foreign arms and such. But not much more than that. If they actually plan on using an EO to confiscate legally-owned firearms and turn literally millions of good, responsible gun-owners into felons overnight...than yeah....we're gonna have problems. It won't be a pretty day in America.

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I don't want to get too in depth with this....

....but it seems the powers that be are looking for some kind of internal armed conflict/war/rebellion. There is no other explanation for everything this current administration has been doing. It's just been stepping on the American people day after day after day. I'm praying real hard we can stay at peace and resolve all these issues with logic and reason and the Constitution. But it's beginning to look bleak out there.

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I expected Yeager to put out a vid like this. I don't agree putting this vid out was the greatest idea and a bit premature. We cannot succumb to emotion like the anti-Constitutionalist gun-grabbers. We have to play this smart and stay cool. But Yeager's his own man and can say whatever he feels like.

The next few weeks will be interesting for sure. Hopefully the treasonous thugs don't make it come down to this. The fact that a sitting U.S. VP would even remotely suggest such an action is sickening. We'll see how they play their hand and how this all pans out. We don't know what the exact plans are yet and all of this may just fall flat on it's face. Maybe not.

They can technically get away with certain actions through EO like halting the import of foreign arms and such. But not much more than that. If they actually plan on using an EO to confiscate legally-owned firearms and turn literally millions of good, responsible gun-owners into felons overnight...than yeah....we're gonna have problems. It won't be a pretty day in America.


Don't know how long it will last, but someone copied and reposted the clip:



Well, it was a YT clip, but came out as posted above

Direct link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... iM-ZPuAhJ0

The man has creds, if anyone thinks he's just a hothead...

James Yeager is currently the CEO of Tactical Response which provides tactical
training worldwide as well as being CEO of Tactical Response Gear an industry
leader in products and service to the tactical community.

From July 2004 until May 2005 James Yeager was on Protective Security Details in
Baghdad Iraq. His Team was responsible for the protection of the 8 Iraqi Election
Commissioners during the violent pre-election, election, and post election. His Team
was also in charge of the physical security of their offices at the Interim Iraqi
Government Building and we worked closely with the Gurkhan guard force there.
Yeager’s duties as I.C. (on-site supervisor) included acting as a media liaison,
coordinating the security force for the building (Contractors and Iraqi), coordinating
with the security force for the compound (Global Risk and US Army), and
coordinating with the two U.S. Army Force Protection groups for the area (82nd
ABN). He also assisted with the planning, advances, coordination, and execution of
the many meetings, plane rides, helicopter shuttles, conferences, and trips around
turbulent Iraq that the 8 commissions took to set up and complete the electoral
process.

May 1996 through September 1998 he worked as a Patrolman and K-9 handler for
the Big Sandy Police Department. In the fall of 1998 he was asked to be the Chief of
Police. It was during this time he trained and led the County’s first Tactical Team. He
held the position of Chief until a new Mayor fired him in May of 2000. He was hired
as a Deputy at the Benton County Sheriff’s Office in May of 2000. His duties at BCSO
included patrol, Tactical Team leader, and trainer for the Multi-Agency Crisis
Response Team. September of 2002 after a new Sheriff came into office Yeager
decided the political strife of full-time Law Enforcement was too much for him and
he went into private training full-time until July of 2004 when he turned his
company over to his Board of Directors to go to Iraq.

January 1992 through May 1996 James Yeager worked with various Drug Task Force
units as well as many local Departments’ Narcotics squads buying and selling illegal
narcotics in an undercover capacity. He specialized in deep cover operations, used
fictitious names, and moved frequently. The agencies he worked for included, but
were not limited to, the 24th Drug Task Force, 23rd D.T.F., 27th D.T.F., Paris Police
Department, the Henry County Sheriff’s Department, and the DEA. He made
hundreds narcotics buys and sales during this period and still continues to work in
short duration operations as needed.

James Yeager is a member of the National Rifle Association (NRA) – Life Member,
the Southern States Police Benevolent Association, the Tennessee Tactical Police and
Paramedic Association (TTPPA) and is a member of I.L.E.E.T.A.

• TN P.O.S.T. Certified to Instruct Less Lethal Munitions #00040S - inactive
• TN P.O.S.T. Certified to Instruct Firearms #00041S - inactive
• TN P.O.S.T. Certified to Instruct Chemical Weapons #00042S - inactive
• TN P.O.S.T. Certified to Instruct Expandable Baton #00043S - inactive
• TN P.O.S.T. Certified Police Officer and K-9 handler #97276 - inactive
* Louisiana State Police Firearms Instructor Number #0259
* F.B.I. Certified Firearms Instructor
* TN Department of Safety Certified Firearms Instructor
* FAA certified to instruct Law Enforcement “Flying Armed” courses
* A.L.S. Master Instructor (Less Lethal, Flashbangs, Chemical Weapons)
* Expandable Baton Instructor – Monadanock
* Bushmaster Certified Patrol Rifle/Carbine Instructor
* Aerosol O.C. Instructor – Fox Labs International
* Armor Holding - Gas Mask Instructor
* Armor Holdings - Pyrotechnic Munitions Instructor
* Armor Holdings - Distraction Device Instructor
* Armor Holdings – Chemical Weapons Instructor
* Armor Holdings - Less Lethal Munitions Instructor
* NRA Certified Handgun Instructor #11973397
* NRA Personal Protection Instructor #11973397
* Glock Certified Armorer
* Rangemaster Handgun Instructor Development
* Knife Defense Instructor
* Over 200 hours of DSS training for EP/PSD/BG
* Scientific Combat Method American Combat Masters 20 hour
* S.D.S.I. Tactical Rifle Course 16hours
* Tactical Knife Instruction- American Combat Masters 20 hour
* Black Water Lodge 32 hour Tactical Police and Military Shotgun Course
* Completed various 40 hour Officer Survival schools
* Attended Snipercraft 40 hour
* OPS - Advanced Low Light Shooting Instructor Course 40 hour
* OPS - Advanced Tactical Handgun Instructor Course 40 hour
* OPS - Handgun Instructor Course 40 hour
* OPS - Patrol Rifle Instructor Course 40 hour
* OPS -Shotgun Instructor Course 40 hour
* Jim Crews - Tactical Handgun 20 hour
* Halo Group - Advanced Tactical Handgun 18 hour
* Rangemaster - High Risk Personnel 16 hour
* Rangemaster - Crisis Response Team Training 80 hour
* S.W.A.T. UTM / Chief Tom Long 40 hour
* D.E.A. - Clandestine Lab Investigations 40 hour
* Criminal Investigation School UTM 40 hour
* Patrol Interdiction 40 hour
* Basic SWAT-Jackson SWAT Team 40 hour
* John Farnam Advanced Tactical Handgun Instructor Course 20 hour
* Military Counter Drug SRT course 48 Hour
* SWAT by Smyrna S.T.O.R.M. Team 40 hour
* 40 hours in-service 1996-through present
* Active Shooter Instructor Course / TTPPA 24 hrs
* 40 Hr Police Sniper School by Smyrna S.T.O.R.M.
* 28 Hour Carbine Instructor / Jim Crews
* 40 Hour F.B.I. SWAT course
* 5 day Strategos Spec-Ops Low-Light Team Tactics 50+ Hours
* Personal Security Course from Armor Group International (I.T.I. in VA)
* Pat Rogers 3-Day Carbine Operator Course
* Caliber Press - Street Survival 2 days
* Glock 2.5 day Instructor Workshop
* NRA Patrol Rifle Instructor
* Rogers Shooting School - Pistol / Intermediate
* Rogers Shooting School - Rifle / Advanced
* Surefire Tactical Technology Specialist Course
* Larry Vickers' AK Operator Course

James Yeager a certified expert witness in TN for firearms, tactical training and use
of force. He has been a firearms trainer since 1994 and has taught literally
thousands of students with several individuals, tactical teams, and Special Forces
teams being successful in lethal force confrontations both domestically and abroad.
Yeager has taught multiple classes all over the United States, Canada, Europe, the
Middle East, Central America and South America. He has extensive experience
teaching in austere environments.

James Yeager is also a professional writer and has been published in magazines
such as S.W.A.T. (Staff Writer), Southern Lawman, and STUFF. He wrote foreword
for the book “Surgical Speed Shooting” as well as being on the cover of that book.
He has written a book on High Risk Civilian Contracting. Yeager has also produced a
series of instructional DVDs.

He was featured on the cover of the September 2005 SWAT magazine and the
December 2005 and June 2009 issues of SWAT had a full length review of our
training. His companies have also been featured in the “Barrett Annual”, “Shotgun
News”, “The book of the AR-15”, and several other periodicals. Kiplinger’s financial
magazine also did an article on Yeager in the June 2007 issue. He was also featured
on “SWAT Magazine TV” on the Outdoor channel in January 2010.

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temu wrote:

The man has creds, if anyone thinks he's just a hothead...



Oh yeah, Yeager is definitely a well-trained professional and has the experience to back it up. Every man has their line in the sand. Yeager made his and thousands with him. Every patriot is on high-alert in this country. That's all I have to say about that.

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The man has creds, if anyone thinks he's just a hothead...



Oh yeah, Yeager is definitely a well-trained professional and has the experience to back it up. Every man has their line in the sand. Yeager made his and thousands with him. Every patriot is on high-alert in this country. That's all I have to say about that.


And that is why it is so dang serious. We have to accept and be ready for the fact that our entire horizon can change in a matter of minutes; and by then end of the day, a whole new paradigm exists before us should somebody decide their line has been crossed...and others following suite.

Even though one persons line in the sand certainly may not match anothers, their line may establish the precedence that preceeds the final outcome.

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My biggest concern right now is another perfectly-timed "random" mass-shooting. Something just to push everyone over the edge on both sides of the "debate". Can't believe we're having debates in this country over our sovereign, individual rights.

We don't have a gun-violence problem in this country. We have a drugged-up, whacked-out liberal problem. I am putting forth a petition for draconian libtard-control laws.

The whole liberal system creates these monsters, drugs them up, they lash out, they slap them on the wrist and unleash them back into society to plan the next mass-shooting. What is known as liberalism (socialism, communism, marxism, etc) today is both a mental disorder and spiritually evil.

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My biggest concern right now is another perfectly-timed "random" mass-shooting.


I know bro. The next 'event'...whatever it may be. Probably something big enough to use as a multi-excuse for guns and the "economic recovery was well under way...then "XYZ" happened...not our fault..."

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I'm not saying yeager is not genuine, but I'm cautious about looking to a leader of some movement. I'm just mistrustful. Too many that want to be vocal seem to have the smell of a paid turncoat. Let's see if he puts his trigger where his mouth is. Who knows, he may be legit....I really don't know him, I quit reading all those magazines and gun articles years ago....it's always the same recycled stuff designed to sell the newest peashooter on the market. The latest and greatest doesn't have much real advantage over good used milsurp. I dont' want to get shot by any of it. But the authors who write in those venues seem entrenched in a certain mindset that I don't really trust. The last good gun writer passed in the form of Col Jeff Cooper imo. He had some great quotes....like:

"There's not many problems that a man can't fix with seventy dollars and a thirty ought six."

In defense of the double tap..."If a man deserves to get shot once, he deserves to get shot twice."

And...all his many rants against all the new calibers and gun designs which have at the end of it all real disadvantages over the old standard reliable guns and calibers.


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temu wrote:
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My biggest concern right now is another perfectly-timed "random" mass-shooting.


I know bro. The next 'event'...whatever it may be. Probably something big enough to use as a multi-excuse for guns and the "economic recovery was well under way...then "XYZ" happened...not our fault..."


I suspect it'll be a staged small scale revolt...or another Waco or Ruby Ridge type event, only bigger and with more guns and technicals involved on the part of the controlled opposition.


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I'm not saying yeager is not genuine, but I'm cautious about looking to a leader of some movement.


That's the thing. He seems to have many that do support him and look to him.

For all I know, not knowing him personally, he may be .gov in disguise.

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I've seen him for quite some time on another forum that is designed for self defense.

I do a lot of training, usually 1 to 2 courses per year. I try to go to different instructors to broaden my skill set so I had looked into a course with him some time back.

Anyway, my guess is that he is just fed up with things, like so many of us.

I've heard this sort of discussion quite a bit in private conversations lately, he's the second one I've seen go public so blatantly now.

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Jumping to conclusions, or not?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1237250

http://www.naturalnews.com/038616_John_ ... crash.html

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A very armed populace is certainly a stumbling block to TPTB. The whole world knows the U.S. is unique in this regard and they're starting to talk about it. I live state side and got this passed-along email:



Interesting slant on things AMERICA'S HUNTERS --- Pretty Amazing! The world's largest army... America 's hunters! I had never thought about this...

A blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and arrived at a striking conclusion:
There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin .. Allow me to restate that number: 600,000. Over the last several months, Wisconsin's hunters became the eighth largest army in the world. More men under arms than in Iran. More than France and Germany combined. These men deployed to the woods of a single American state, Wisconsin, to hunt with firearms, and no one was killed.

That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan's 700,000 hunters, all of whom have now returned home safely. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world. And then add in the total number of hunters in the other 46 states. It's millions more.

The point? America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower. Hunting... it's not just a way to fill the freezer. It's a matter of national security.


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That's why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed. Food for thought, when next we consider gun control. Overall it's true, so if we disregard some assumptions that hunters don't possess the same skills as soldiers, the question would still remain...
What army of 2 million would want to face 30, 40, 50 million armed citizens???

For the sake of our freedom, don't ever allow gun control or confiscation of guns. "For those of us that have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never taste"

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How convenient. Just about as convenient as the Dark Knight prop master -- the same one who created the Sandy Hook promotional "map" --dying in a car crash this year. Gotta watch those non-life threatening injuries. They can be fatal:


http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Newtown-man-dies-in-Stamford-accident-3465225.php#photo-2790801

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MountainRecluse wrote:
My biggest concern right now is another perfectly-timed "random" mass-shooting. Something just to push everyone over the edge on both sides of the "debate".....



I knew it. Breaking news school shooting in California:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/10/2- ... gh-school/


Like clockwork. This is getting out of control.

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Yup. Got the huffpo's riled for sure.

Wild stuff; two extremes.

Voluntary slaves and those who care for the Constitution.

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And then there is this. Image

This can get serious real quick.

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And then there is this. Image

This can get serious real quick.


I need a one-way ticket to Wyoming.

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THIS should be the videos out right now.....not Yeager's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpToQqYs75A

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Continuing....

No one has even officially proposed yet what actions they plan on taking. And as Mac says above for himself, and I agree, the "line in the sand" is if they actually started going door to door and forcibly confiscating legally-owned and purchased firearms. But that hasn't happened and hasn't been said yet. We need to continue the fight politically.

I personally believe this is what they are going to try and push:

1. Ban on STANDARD-capacity magazines in favor of limited-capacity 10 rds (for both rifles and pistols). This is completely an asinine, feel-good measure as you can just tape two 10-round mags together and have 20 rounds. Reloading an AR15/AK takes a fraction of a second. Not to mention the billions of just 30-round AR15 PMAGS out there in the hands of everyone already. I guarantee the next active-shooter will still have 30-round mags despite any laws passed. Again, just limiting the good guys.

Anyone found at the range or anywhere else using a 30-round mag will get them confiscated and some kind of criminal proceedings. Future production of standard-capacity mags will be canked.

2. National database/registry of all so-called "assault weapons." (which technically isn't unConstitutional)....Anyone found with an unregistered rifle (let's say at the range) will have it confiscated and you'll be hit with a felony/fines. Once that rifle is registered, they will be able to track it. When you die, you will not be able to pass that rifle along to your children. It will be taken and destroyed.

3. Full-on AWB. No future manufacturing of semi-auto rifles allowed. Combine this with #2 and you will have effectively eliminated a large majority of legally-owned "assault weapons" within a generation. Of course, the criminals and bad guys will still have their illegal, full-auto versions with high-capacity 100-round drum magazines. But these laws aren't concerned about disarming the criminals and psychos, but disarming the good, law-abiding, American population.

If any of these pass, this will be one of the biggest infringements of the 2nd Amendment we have ever seen. My children will be limited to 5-round bolt-action rifles, muzzleloaders, and six-shot wild west revolvers. Not very effective against police and military who have true, full-auto assault rifles, apache helicopters, bunker buster bombs, rocket launchers, grenades, flashbangs, F-16/18's, etc, etc. But we know our gov't would never turn on us like that. No. That's just stuff you see in turd-world countries, not the good 'ole US of A!......back to Dancing with the Stars. Ho-hum.

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Let's not even think of the major Constitutional infringements these actions would be, but think about the massive, negative ECONOMIC impact these laws would have on this country and many states. There are very few, popular gun manufacturers in America today that DON'T produce some type of semi-automatic rifle. Americans have been buying these type firearms in the millions for years and it has spiked dramatically with these political threats.

Literally THOUSANDS of Americans would lose their jobs. And this goes way beyond just the manufacturers. This is going to just cripple the hundreds of trainers and training courses out there (like Yeager) and their businesses. It will be one, bad domino effect. This is yet another reason you see states like Wyoming making laws to bar such unConstitutional laws by the feds.

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If any of these pass, this will be one of the biggest infringements of the 2nd Amendment we have ever seen. My children will be limited to 5-round bolt-action rifles, muzzleloaders, and six-shot wild west revolvers. Not very effective against police and military who have true, full-auto assault rifles, apache helicopters, bunker buster bombs, rocket launchers, grenades, flashbangs, F-16/18's, etc, etc.


And I just wanted to also add to this the armed bad guy doing a house invasion will have all the firepower at his disposal with his illegal "assault weapon". My children might as well have sharpened sticks to defend themselves with. Tyranny can come from any entity and from any person. Evil knows no bounds.

This is what actually needs to happen:

1. Armed security/police at every school or teachers/principles conceal carry. Psychotic, drugged-up little pukes will choose soft, unarmed targets. They aren't going to storm a school with armed security/teachers and be shot in 10 seconds. They're goal is to rack up as many kills as possible before they take themselves out. They want to be remembered. Not snuffed out quickly and fogotten.

State of Ohio has allowed teachers who are already legal, conceal carry permit holders to carry in school. So far, over 900 teachers have signed up:

http://news.yahoo.com/teachers-ohio-tex ... 12964.html

This is what will protect our children.


2. No guns go to those on psycho-meds. Important note that most of these shooters were prevented from obtaining firearms by laws already on the books. They had to resort to stealing them. No laws will prevent that. All of these shooters were on some type of psycho-med. Although, I am not too comfortable with this medical history background check idea because how far would it go? This would also be classified as another "infringment" in my view. This is a hard one.

3. The abolition of evil "gun-free zones". These are just "target-rich zones". Important note that all these shootings occur in "gun-free" zones. It seems the cazies don't have the common courtesy to not bring their arms to these places.

That's it. This whole magazine/"assault weapon" ban is a complete farce. Less guns, more restrictions = more evil, higher innocent death counts.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:19 pm 
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Here is another level-headed video this time by a liberal gun-owner in regards to EO and what that may entail:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frQI0TqtxeU

About the anger.. (he mentions Yeager's original vid):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZkINRgeVCo

Makes me think Biden just shot his mouth off to make folks like Yeager flip out. The vid above made a great point about the "folks in the middle" on the issue. There is a time and place for Yeagerville, but now is not that time. I'm a Marine vet, and believe me, I was flipping my lid as well. As much as it may pain us to be "PC" on the issue, we have to be. That's just how it is (at the moment). Let this play out and see what the lovely new day in Obummerland brings. Hopefully, the political processes in place will work the way they're supposed to and the law of the land, the U.S. Constitution, wins the day. Stay active, contact the politicians and be heard.

I think I'll take a break from my ranting...lol...obviously very passionate and concerned about this topic. Thanks for the new section here, Josh! haha

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:27 pm 
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MountainRecluse wrote:
If any of these pass, this will be one of the biggest infringements of the 2nd Amendment we have ever seen. My children will be limited to 5-round bolt-action rifles, muzzleloaders, and six-shot wild west revolvers. Not very effective against police and military who have true, full-auto assault rifles, apache helicopters, bunker buster bombs, rocket launchers, grenades, flashbangs, F-16/18's, etc, etc. But we know our gov't would never turn on us like that. No. That's just stuff you see in turd-world countries, not the good 'ole US of A!......back to Dancing with the Stars. Ho-hum.



Oh, I just wanted to clarify here real quick this above statement. I am not at all against LE and the military. I have been both LE and a Marine myself. I know there are alot of really good guys out there that are true "oath keepers" that would never sell-out to a hijacked, runaway, tyrannical gov't. Those guys always have my admiration and respect. I was just referencing again the true purpose of the 2nd which is protection against tyrannical forces. And AWB, etc is just a further infringement of the right of the People to protect ourselves against that. Peace.

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