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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:43 pm 
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I'm finding the law of the firstborn a little confusing, probably due to language barriers but in any event, if anybody has some clearification, that would be nice.

In reading the law of the firstborn, it's hard to tell if there are two criteria, or one. Lev.13:12
that you shall set apart to the LORD all that open the womb, that is, every firstborn that comes from an animal which you have, the males shall be the LORD'S.

in other places, it applies to humans too.

in v15 however, there is reference to all MALES that open the womb, and reference to first born sons.

What IS a first born son?

If a woman has 25 children, all of them daughters, and then the 26th is a son, isn't he the 'first born son'?

Or is the first pregnancy which gives birth to a male child considered the first born son, or are they BOTH first born sons?

ALL children born have to 'open the womb' or is that an idiom for the first time the womb opens and puts forth a child?

And finally, did the death of the firstborn in Egypt include females too? Sometimes a female is a first born.

Thoughts?


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:02 am 
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And why does Yisrael give us our Confederate flag when he crosses his arms and blesses the younger son with the first born birthright instead?

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:05 am 
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Judah's Sceptre and Joseph's Birthright.


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2016 11:39 am 
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Judith,

The has everything to do with a "temple". No one who is not circumcised can enter a temple. Under Moses, daughters and wives were counted under either their father's or husbands circumcision. A woman doesn't have a penis to be circumcised, and for ancient Israel she was counted as part of the temple by either her husband's or father's circumcision.

Ancient Israel was a "shadow" according to Paul, of what has happened already, stating that the physical precedes the spiritual.

There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven. (1 Cor 15:40–49)

The Key of David is in understanding that scripture was composed in Hebraic Poetry Prose..that the physical is a shadow of the spiritual and the physical precedes the spiritual. King David understood this, as did Christ Jesus.

Scripture isn't clear as to whether firstborn females in Egypt were taken, but they were under the covering of their father's or husbands. See here about the physical nation:

Exo 11:5 and every firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sits on his throne, even to the firstborn of the slave girl who is behind the handmill, and all the firstborn of the cattle.

preceding the spiritual:

For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left. (Matthew 24:38-41)

As I've stated before:

The Passover covenant promises deliverance from bondage for an enslaved nation of God for the simple condition of selecting, sacrificing, roasting and eating the paschal lamb. One condition; you must consecrate your firstborns for deliverance from bondage from a king or prince that requires a payment to be made; slaves must be purchased, not stolen. Stealing is a sin. A ransom must be paid for the nation to be legally acquired, and with blood representing the life of a person, lives are given in exchange for freedom. All firstborns belong to the Lord to do as He pleases.

The sin offering for this firstborn son is a paschal lamb. Creation is a "womb" in which sons of God can grow. A human comes into this world "head" first, then "body". The head precedes the body; it's the natural order. Escaping creation (the womb) will have Christ Jesus entering "heaven" as the head, first...before his body enters the heavens. The head was ransomed, was the Pascal Lamb. The body awaits this same ransom, the reason behind the Olivet discourse.

It is of no relevance as to whether females were taken in this ransom to free the firstborn from Egypt...a ransom was paid is all we know. But in the spiritual, Christians are "neither male nor female", with a Christian in true form being one who has a second breath of life...a Christian is not the outer body which is plumbed as either male or female.

The kingdom is about this firstborn inheriting all that is as being primogeniture, and those who have a second breath of life (in the spiritual temple) are placed back into the garden (what the temple represents) to have his faith restored; to make a better decision than the first Adam did, what circumcision represents...obedience to God.


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2016 12:19 pm 
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Nothing can escape creation, not even light. Light cannot even escape the gravitation pull of a black hole. Everything inside creation is composed of matter, and IS bound by the laws of physics. This is the whole reason behind the creation...the abyss.

Satan cannot die while in the heavens, there is no passage of time since there is no mass...no "gravity", one moment cannot pass into the next, a thing cannot die, cannot change in the heavens.

Daniel and Revelation state that satan will be cast from the heavens "woe to the inhabitants of the earth, for satan has been cast down to dwell with you".

He comes as a roaring lion, as cat who hates water, for once inside of time..inside of creation, he will know that his time is short. Even the man Jesus who once became the "Christ" understood that, and it was truly sobering to him.

The only way out of creation is to inherit the kingdom as a firstborn, and this firstborn must be purchased from the prince of this world. There was a deal that was made, firstborn in exchange for firstborn, with "Death" being the firstborn of the Adversary, since he was "first". This is how the Christ defeats death or "Death" because Death is an uncovered firstborn, and this is seen when the image of the beast of Revelation is laid over the image of Daniel's humanoid image. The "King of Greece" is first...a firstborn who is broken because he is uncovered, an illegal firstborn. “the goat is the king of Greece. And the great horn between his eyes is the first king” (Daniel 8 v. 21).

The great king of the King of Greece would appear as an erect penis on Nebuchadnezzar’s humanoid image, and he would be broken because he was “first,” apparently the firstborn [first convert] of the Adversary. "Death" rides a horse in Revelation. Death "looses it's sting" in Revelation, and once someone can be resurrected, then Death has no claim over the person..a person is no longer subject to death or a slave of death once they have the promise of resurrection. Death's fangs are essentially pulled...death looses its sting.

The only way outside of this creation is for you to be the firstborn, either the crowns on the head or part of his body. And you must be purchased from slavery, from Death so to speak. There must be a sacrificial offering for this firstborn to be ransomed, what consecrating your firstborn's is all about. The "Son of Man" is one man, the Temple who will marry His bride, the New Jerusalem, and will inherit the kingdom as Primogeniture.


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:42 pm 
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Still, I think the old man, Jacob, crossed his arms and blessed the younger Ephraim, which gave us our Confederate flag, eons removed... The Tribe of Joseph carried the X on their banner as a symbol of the event, and we have it here in the U.S. of A. as that hated, racist symbol of yore...

Israel saw in the Spirit WHY he should cross his arms, and the law of the first born was extended to the younger... which is Ephraim US and Manasseh UK...


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:31 pm 
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As in choosing livestock, some are chosen and some are rejected. The Lord also accepts one son of promise and rejects another, with behavior being the basis for acceptance or rejection, which in the physical (mirror image) will have the second son being the son of promise. Ishmael as Abraham’s firstborn son was rejected for he was of the bondwoman. Isaac, Abraham’s second son, was born of promise and was chosen. Then Esau the firstborn grandson of promise was rejected, as was Manasseh. Jacob, the second grandson of promise and the one who wrestled with God and prevailed, was loved and chosen—and his sons were called the firstborn son of God.

Physically, the outer man is first and will be rejected. internally, the second son or next son is the son of promise. He is second because dwells inside a tabernacle of flesh inside creation, but outside creation he is a firstborn since the outer man does not go there when he dies. He goes in the ground. He inherits nothing. The first son of Abraham (Ishmael) was rejected because he was born to a slave woman; the promise came through Abraham’s second son Isaac. The firstborn son of Isaac (Esau) was rejected because he didn’t value his birthright, the promise came through his second son Jacob. The first son of Adam (Cain) was rejected because he was a murderer. The first son of God (Adam) was driven from the garden because of his disobedience, the second Adam (Christ Jesus) was glorified as a life giving spirit. The rejection of the firstborn nation of YHWY (physically circumcised Israel) then leaves way for this second nation of Israel (circumcised of hearts, no gender in this temple) to be the accepted son of promise, Abraham’s seed, but as a firstborn. This nation is spiritually a firstborn, with spiritually meaning internally...inside of the fleshly house or tabernacle.

Don't let this be confusing...all physical breaths of life come to man through the first Adam, passed on through Eve. They come first and are of the outer man...are sown in corruption, corruptible flesh. All spiritual breaths (what spirit means, pneuma in Greek..means breath or moving air, as in pneumatic powered tools) comes through the Second Adam. The physical precedes the spiritual.

A physically circumcised Israelite in the temple forms the lively shadow of a spiritually circumcised son of God dwelling in a tabernacle of flesh. As the movement is from Moses as mediator of the physical second covenant to Christ Jesus being mediator of the spiritual second covenant, stones move to become flesh, and physical circumcision moves to become spiritual circumcision. What was dead is replaced by what lives. The physical nation that was the firstborn son of God moves to become the spiritual nation (1 Pet 2:9), holy to God as the physical nation was holy (Exod 19:5-6). This spiritual nation of priests is today the firstborn son of God, born before the last Eve goes into labor (Isa 66:7-8)

The old written code governed the hand and the body; the internalized laws of God govern the desires of the hearts and the thoughts of the mind. Anger and lust now break the commandments against murder and adultery. Thus, the new creature born of Spirit forms the heavenly reality that casts backward through time a lively shadow that was a physically circumcised Israelite in Judea, meaning that the Church is and has been as faithless as the circumcised nation was. And this is the ugly truth to which the greater Church to rejects.

Jacob came first, Israel was second (same person), yet it’s Israel who was the firstborn in Egypt who had to have a redeeming sacrifice to free him (collectively) from Egypt (sin). The physical precedes the spiritual.

Once born of spirit, there is a second breath of life dwelling within a fleshly body, or a clay jar or vessel. This second breath of life is a firstborn son of God which must be redeemed. Only by sacrificing a sin offering which is what the Passover covenant is about, is how this firstborn is consecrated to the Most High.

I am not the same person who I was at age 39. I was very deceitful (Jacob) and wrestled with God daily, for decades. Two weeks before I turned 40, I realized that I was not living right...had to get right with God, so went and got baptized. The change was quick, with my wife calling me an unrecognizable impostor. Something had happened, and there was a change internally. Outwardly, I don't even look like I did since of grew a full beard and mustache. That old man was drowned in a baptismal pool of freezing water, and just like the man Jesus was on the cross...one thing was certain..he wasn't coming down; he would eventually die. The second breath of life has the promise of resurrection, the first breath from the first Adam will come to nothing since it's sown in corruption. It will hang on cross or stake until this breath of life (inherited from the first Adam) is gone.

The law of the firstborn remains in effect today. He must be consecrated (redeemed by sacrifice) to inherit the kingdom. Abram was first, Abraham was second. Sari was first, Sarah was second. "AH" (aspirated breath) was added to these meaning the spirit (breath) would come to their seed which is the Christ, to which the kingdom is promised as in inheritance.


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